Lately there have been a number of posts (#1, #2, #3) floating around in the twenty something blogger community about the awards and nominations the community offers in the past few weeks. The posts have revolved around how the awards are very important, how the voting is weird, how the community actually isn’t a community any more at all because it’s too big, and even about how the people who tend to win the awards are kind of boring and inane.
I wrote a post in the spring when this debate was ‘hot’ gently urging people to get more involved if they want to see results on their community involvement, and because I still stand by that sentiment I’ve been slow to respond to the swell of commentary on the community this time around. But the reality is, these comments really bother me. They seem to miss the point. So I though that maybe I should be more detailed when I talk about ‘community building’ and using 20SB as a jumping off point.
Just so we’re clear, my feelings on 20SB and the awards process are as follows:
- The idea that 20SB is an exclusive, cliquey place is largely the construct of people calling it those things. The people who are perceived as being inside an ‘in’ group don’t all talk on the phone gossiping and braid each others hair until the wee hours of the morning. These people have jobs, families, debt, relationships and sick relatives. They are dealing with life when they’re not online. You don’t actually know what’s in their e-mail accounts or in their hearts. Focus on yours. If you would like to have more open, fun online friendships focus on that. You can control that.
- The idea that 20SB is a vast, sprawling, unknowable place teeming with amazing blogs just waiting to be discovered is (in my opinion) also a construct of the people who are saying those things. There are a ton of profiles on twenty something bloggers, but I would guess that there are very few who are active in the community. Fewer still who care about this debate. I can’t count the number of blogs I’ve stopped following because they’ve randomly dropped off the face of the earth, never to be heard from again. I can’t count the number of blogs I’ve ended up moving away from because they only talk about that person’s day to day existence and never make the leap to self reflection or narrative. We all have different tastes in what we like to read, but the reality is that finding blogs of any style that have authors who will keep writing beyond the next year, or even who will respond to e-mail is really hard a lot of the time. This isn’t a conspiracy of the elite, it’s just that we’re all in different places.
- The idea that being named blogger of the month or winning an award will ramp your blog traffic through the roof is something that people who want to win these internal awards believe. There are certainly people who will add you to their blogroll, but your subscriber numbers really won’t go through the roof in a way that they wouldn’t if you just kept writing well on a consistent basis. They provide a nice bump, but that’s all.
That’s great but how can I make 20SB, you know, do stuff for me?
- Look at your blog before you look at 20SB. Does the design really convey who you are? If you receive all of your comments during the work day is your design one that can be looked at on a work computer without it screaming “I’m not working!”? What do you think you’re writing about, and what are you actually writing about? Go back to the last month of your blog and write out the general idea of each post you wrote- does this reflect your life? What you want your blog to be about? If you’re a growing blog most people have just found you, so making sure you’re reflecting who you are with your posts is important.
- Check out your 20SB profile. If you’re using 20SB as a way to get people to make the leap to your blog, does your profile look anything like your blog? Is your bio up to date? Do you provide visible links to your blog and other social media?
- Narrowcast yourself. Only 105 people nominated others in the bootlegger awards in a community of nearly 10k. Do those numbers shock you? You should be relieved. This means that spending hours on the community, commenting on endless random profiles, and sinking an incredible amount of time into something that’s not blogging won’t help you to efficiently find engaged readers. You just need to find the super users and befriend them. Isn’t that more manageable? You can 20SB super users a number of ways, three of which are:
1. By going to the monthly nominations threads and clicking through to all of the people’s blogs who are interested enough in the community to vouch for someone.
2. You can look for people who are routinely starting and answering forum threads.
3. You can look at people who are on the community admin team.
When you’re looking for blogs to not just read, but to be engaged with, you want to find someone who will take action- someone who will find out who you are, visit your blog, and maybe even strike up a conversation. Targeting people who are already engaged in a participatory action is a way to target your efforts.
- Make friends, don’t wait for friends. Send one e-mail a week to someone whose blog you like. Find a blog you really enjoy and check out who else likes that blog- again, this targets people who are engaged. Read blogrolls, people tend to list their friends and they can help you to ‘see’ social groups. Only comment on as many blogs as you can thoughtfully respond to.
- Practice radical caring. Has a community member gone through something really hard and needs support? Draw attention to it in the 20SB forums or on your blog. Stop skimming posts. Unsubscribe from the blogs you aren’t invested in, and really put time in with people you enjoy. Respond to people- if someone new comments on your blog send them a one line e-mail, @reply people on twitter, and if someone makes you think, make the jump from commenting to e-mailing. Then take a break from putting energy out and in a few weeks, start up again. Very few people do these things. By really listening, and really responding you will stand out.
- Realize this is only one tool. If you’re in your twenties, 20SB is a great jumping off point for finding people who are in your demographic and who might be interested in what you’re doing. A better tool is putting your time into people who make you roar with laughter, cry when their hearts break, and cheer their successes. For me 20SB is one way of many to find those people.
I want to be really clear that I don’t feel targeted by any of the posts that have been written, and my feelings have not been hurt by any of you. I truly understand how it can feel like everyone is included but you. In the face of that I really wanted to put something practical and hands on out there about this stuff. These are some things that have worked for me, but I think about these things without meaning to and doing them is just natural. What works for you might be totally different.
I’m just terribly fond of this little (big) community and have had a great experience in it, so I hope that spelling out how I’ve made that happen might help others wanting a more engaged experience in their blogs and in their community.











































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So well said. Props to you my dear :)
.-= jenniferalaine´s last blog ..the first i love you. =-.
Great post Kyla:) Kudos to you:)
.-= Cecilie´s last blog ..Close your eyes, sometimes it helps. =-.
very awesome post! you’ve definitely positioned yourself with sound advice. great guide!! and i agree with ashley.star. there are a lot of things i want to “be” that it all becomes very overwhelming. i’d like to merge it all and have my blog become the hub of everything that i am! :D easier said than done..
.-= floreta´s last blog ..Wanderlust =-.
I think this is an excellent post – very fair and well written and smart. However, after reading the other three entries you linked to – I’d like to say I think their points are just as valid as yours.
That’s the thing about having a community based website – everyone gets a share, an opinion and they won’t all be the same. I don’t think any of them are attacking anyone in particular (not even 20sb itself), but rather, they are pointing out some stuff that I noticed from the beginning when I joined 20sb. Some people are more active on the forum than others; some of those people have genuinely great blogs and lots of stuff to say, others not so much, but they comment on every forum post and follow every person they can in hopes they will get followed back. In each of those instances, more attention will be given to that type of networking.
I read a great quote in Memoirs of a Geisha that went something like “people often confuse great things with something they’ve merely heard about.” Meaning that if I am very active on the forum, or on twitter or whatever, chances are good I will garner more attention out of notoriety. On the other hand, I believe in a good product – if you have something to say, say it well and your page is accessible, your product (blog) will set itself apart in time.
Now – having said all that – I think there are a lot of great bloggers on 20sb and I encourage people to check the site out no matter who raves about it or who tears it down. It’s a great forum. It ain’t perfect by any means, but it’s great.
Your blog rocks. :)
.-= L.L.´s last blog ..New Years/Old Conflict =-.
Hey, I just joined 20sb and that was some really great advice. Thank you.
.-= Adrienne´s last blog ..Prayer for Brandy =-.
Thank you so much for writing this, Kyla. You sum up everything so perfectly and with so much class. This post is an amazing guide to how to effectively use 20sb. Thanks for the amazing suggestions.
.-= Jessica´s last blog ..Where In The World Wednesday =-.
Kyla,
I love this! Thanks so much for taking the time to do this! It is hard for me, as a new blogger, to keep true to myself and start out writing for myself, not an audience. I do really hope to engage my blog, twitter, 20SB, etc in effective ways, and really pour into others lives as they pour into mine.
:)
Per-fec-tion. As usual. You are so diplomatic and communicate so well, Kyla. Writing is truly your gift, and I love that you take it seriously enough to fight for blogging as a valid outlet, not to mention a community burgeoning with possibility!
.-= Natalie Cottrell´s last blog ..Solitary Confinement {A Throwback Post} =-.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THIS POST.
CLEARS A LOT OF THINGS FOR ME.
I DON’T KNOW WHY I AM WRITING IN BLOCK LETTERS.
This post made me think about the way I blog and if I should make any changes – it even inspired a freakishly nonsensical and lengthy rant-type post of my own (don’t worry, I linked back to this one! Actually, maybe you should be worried to be associated with my crazed musings, but I linked to you regardless so it can’t be helped :P)
http://monstergirlwrites.blogspot.com/2009/12/monster-girl-and-her-blog-blogging.html
I know it has seemed to me before that in blogging there was this elusive “blogging circle”, I guess, but it’s never felt exclusive – while I’ve often wished I could crack into this lovely circle I do know that I’d consider you on the “in side” and you make an effort to reply to everyone’s comments, check out other blogs and aren’t above other blogs outside this idea of a “group” at all. Because you’re a kind, warm, interesting blogger and not a thirteen year old girl who only wants to sit with her friends at lunch time! I think all the successful blogs I like to follow are written by warm lovely people.
It’s always possible to find blogging friends if you’re being a friend yourself!
.-= Janie´s last blog ..a monster girl and her blog: blogging about blogging =-.
Kyla, this post is really fantastic and it warms my cold little heart. (Literally cold. 3 cheers for Canada!)
Right on! Great post lady! Life has gotten too busy for me to actively be involved in my blogging but I still check my favorite blogs (especially yours) daily. Happy New Years=)
I loved this post, Kyla. You always put everything so eloquently and you make some great, great points!
I should probably make my blog design more work-friendly.. Perhaps a chore for 2010 :)
Thanks for this post! I’ve been a member of 20sb for a few months now but I’ve barely begun to explore the community that’s there ~ mostly because I have no idea where to begin! Your post was very helpful :)
.-= Holly´s last blog ..One Little Word … =-.
Thank you! This was very helpful, especially since I’m just starting out with blogging and with 20sb.
This is a great post (duh!). The 20SB community is the second community I have joined since I started blogging in 2005. I started off as a diabetes blogger. I am, as they say, a popular or influential blogger in that community, although I still never seem to get many comments on my material, but that’s actually fairly common in our group (only a couple bloggers get a ton of comments, so it’s not as big of a deal).
Now I’m trying to also be a 20sb blogger and it’s rough! I feel like I’m starting over and it’s tough to get involved in a group that is already formed – even if the people are really nice. It’s difficult to continue building relationships when, as you said, you are already a “popular” blogger and whatnot.
Anyway, I think you offer a lot of really solid points and hopefully I can become as integrated in the 20sb community as I have with the diabetes community, though I am certain it will take time and energy, just as it did the first time around. But it is oh so totally worth it.
Cheers,
Allison
.-= Allison Blass´s last blog ..Transitions in Review: 2000-2009 =-.
This was fantastic, Kyla. I’ve been a 20sb member for almost two years now, but I haven’t been active in the community recently. There are so many sects in this blogging world and I’ve seemed to stray more towards the so-called “mommy-bloggers.” In my situation, there are occasions I can relate to them better.
While I am not active on 20sb and admit I didn’t nominate people, I feel that there is sometimes a hierarchy. Not clique-y. But I personally have had my feelings hurt by effort I’ve put into making connections, only to have no reciprocation. When I first joined 20sb, I had several members adding me as friends on twitter. I followed in return, of course, and engaged in conversation with them, replied to their tweets and didn’t mind that they didn’t return the reply. People are busy, I get it. But then, when I’m unfollowed and my thoughtful comments on their blogs (for years) go unnoticed, I feel a little…confused. I don’t need the comments on my blog, but I feel like so much of 20sb is conversation between members and when I put in that much effort with no response…it just bites a bit. (I’m not talking about YOU, don’t misunderstand! Ha, I’ve been a LONG-TIME LURKER!) This is why I took a year hiatus from 20sb and focused on my mommy bloggers, because I felt more welcomed there.
The people who were nominated absolutely deserve the noms. I’ve read several of those blogs for years and they are each absolutely excellent at what their nomination category implies. And it’s entirely possible that I feel differently than several people, I just think there should be a little more communication. I don’t expect replies to every @reply or every comment or even every email. I don’t do that, myself. But I do appreciate those people and try my best to respond as often as possible, to thank them, to let them know how appreciative I am of their thoughts. They are the people that keep me blogging, that inspire me.
That’s just my VERY LONG WINDED thought.
.-= barbetti´s last blog ..A Year in Review – Photos =-.
I agree with what LL said. You did write a good post here and you linked my post, which is pretty controversial with these people who don’t even know me or read my blog insulting me and calling me as a hater to bloggers like you and Erin.
While the fact is I do read and comment both of you, and many more. Sincerely. As for the fact I comment on many profiles on new 20sb members? I’m on membership team, it’s in my desk job. What am I supposed to do?
I’m not feeling like responding to such blatant judgments like that since I’ve messaged you personally on how the idea of my post, is simply wanting variations and to act on it. Brutal for some people, but that’s just me. Blunt. These people who comment saying they agree with me, they don’t hate on bloggers, a lot of them aren’t even new bloggers and have massive readers. They do know how the system works. Our points are variations and these people attacking us and talking like we’re new at this, like we feel excluded or we feel like we want more followers or something? Not true and not our point.
I like some bloggers, I want them to be featured for their uniqueness. That’s all. All in generalization and the fact that some people are offended without asking me first and bashing me personally for a general opinion I throw is ridiculous.
Andhari – For what it’s worth, I linked to your post and to the others as examples of the debate that’s going on inside the community. This post is not a response to yours, or any other. I’m not implying that you want more followers. What I’m trying to do is take a look at what’s being said and shift the debate from this accusatory tone to one where we look at how people can get a more rewarding community experience and more readily find people who are ready to engage and be active not just on 20SB but also on other blogs. It might not be a challenge for you, but I know just from my own experience it’s a very real challenge for a lot of people.
GREAT post.
What’s been interesting about 20SB is watching it grow. I’ve never been a featured blogger or anything, but I think I was member #80, back when they used to show you what number you were.
I think sometimes it’s hard for everyone to escape that high school mindset of the haves and the have-nots. Those who don’t have cry foul, and those who do sometimes flaunt that popularity around. It’s normal. It’s expected.
What makes me sad about that stuff, though, is how I think those people lose out on what makes 20SB such a special community.
Blogging, while a rather narcissistic pursuit in its own right, is about finding your voice and connecting with others. People shouldn’t be looking for an easy “A”, so to speak. If that’s what they’re doing, why are they even blogging?
Also, I’ve lurked for a long time, so hi! :-)
.-= I Have Two Dogs & Love Wine´s last blog ..Looking Forward =-.
Massive high five. You are lovely- here and always.
.-= nicoleantoinette´s last blog ..google maps, frosting, and oh yeah i have an apartment in san francisco and it’s so cute and and and fuck me i love the universe =-.
Well said!
On a completely unrelated note – I adore the pants off your re-design. ADORE! PANTSLESS!!
.-= Andrea´s last blog ..The One About The Holidays =-.
This was a very thorough and helpful post. Perfect timing too as I’m slowly trying to become more involved on 20sb. I never really thought of it as “cliquey”, but there was never a sense of community. Now I’m realizing that’s largely my fault because if I can’t reach out to other people, how can I expect them to do the same to me?
I’m also very happy I waited so long before commenting, because there’s been some equally great ideas brought up by other people as well.
.-= Mandy´s last blog ..Thoughts for Brandy =-.
this post is very helpful.
happy new year.
xx
I’m relatively new to 20sb and I have found that what you wrote is exactly right. It’s not an overwhelming place to be if you put a little effort into it. It takes a bit of time and trial & error to find the blogs that suit you best, but it’s worth it.
.-= Kathleen´s last blog ..Year In Review: 2009 =-.
I have been a member of 20sb for quite a while but never really got involved in it until I started submitting my bootlegger nominees. Thanks for this great post!!!
.-= Stefanie´s last blog ..Saying good-bye instead of welcoming another year. =-.
I really like how you took such a positive, hands-on approach in writing this post, in the light of the recent negativity swirling about online regarding 20sb and the awards. Very awesome.
(Happy! 2010.)
.-= Kerri Anne´s last blog ..The Number One Reason I Love Used Books =-.
Wait, so does this mean LiLu and I should stop braiding each others hair? It’s really hard to get it even sometimes, though!
Kidding– I think you hit the nail on the head. 20sb can be a great jumping off point for any blogger. it’s how I found a lot of the blogs I’m still addicted to.
.-= Maxie´s last blog ..I will never top my title from two days ago, so why do I even try? =-.
Oh, Kyla, you said everything I could have ever possibly wanted to say and more.
You’re awesome. You know that, right?
.-= E.P.´s last blog ..Twenty ten =-.
one more reason i <3 your blog :-) great post, kyla!
.-= Libby´s last blog ..Picture This =-.
okay i am just catching up on all of this and kyla this is an amazing post and i don’t think it could have been said any better. nicely done.
.-= katelin´s last blog ..Hollywood adorableness, more Twilight interviews and a sparkly dress. =-.
Untill now I never heard of this community. Maybe this is because I`m from Germany? Maybe.
But I really liket it to read your words. Your writening style is fantastic in my eyes.
I will take on a read on your site. And maybe I will also have a loook on this community.
Greetings.
.-= Nismion´s last blog ..Robin Hood – Neuer Einzug in die Kinos =-.
I’ve never commented before, but wanted to speak up and say thank you for this post. I was feeling really frustrated earlier this week and ended up writing about how I thought the whole 20sb awards thing was bs.
After reading what you had to say, I’ll admit there are still things about it that rub me the wrong way, BUT I definitely value everything you’ve said here. I think that anyone who was hoping to be and would complain about not being nominated, everything you say here is important and useful and honest. Really, really honest and good advice. I couldn’t agree with you more! I hope that it helps all the smaller blogs or the newbies who would like to be better known! :)
Great post. Your advice is really good about the whole 20sb awards thingy. I’ve never bothered about them but guess I’ll take a look about it too.
.-= John´s last blog ..Taking Amazing Earth Photos From Space at $750 =-.
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